At some point a chicken-like bird produced an offspring that due to some mutation in its DNA crossed the threshold from mere chicken likeness into chicken actuality.
Many characteristics of the modern avian egg namely an oblong asymmetrical shape and a hardened shell were in place before birds diverged from dinosaurs about 150 million years ago.
A lot of the traits that we see in bird eggs evolved prior to birds in theropod dinosaurs says Darla Zelenitsky of the University of Calgary.
Another key moment in the history of avian eggs occurred at least 150 million years before that
when a subset of four-limbed vertebrates evolved to produce amniotic eggs. The embryos within the eggs were surrounded by three fluid-filled membranes that provide nourishment protection
You still see that in birds crocodilians and snakes he explains. Like other placental mammals we humans lost our yolk somewhere along the line
but our eggs still come with a vestigial yolk sac. Have a burning science question you'd like to see answered in our FYI section?
Email it to fyi@popsci. com. umm well then...shall I press on and ask Which came first the dinosaur or the egg?
At some point a chicken-like bird produced an offspring that due to some mutation in its DNA crossed the threshold from mere chicken likeness into chicken actuality.
'And the bird made chicken walked among the avians who knew it not'is a much more poetic way of saying the same darn thing.
and that a pre-chicken bird was changed genetically enviromentally to the point where it entered that spectrum of chicken dna.
but had 2x more feathers and of a different color and 3 feet but enviromental changes caused the chicken to mutate as such to become within the spectrum of chicken dna.
All that is needed is for the more chicken like birds to out-breed the rest over generations
Domesticated birds were interbred with wild birds to create a new species called chicken. So God did not create chickens.
People and horny birds did. Goo came first then life came from goo and then for
so its going to have to settle with a member of another already existing species. This is an unavoidable roadblock for evolution this new bird's genetic material is added merely to that of an existing species where evolution requires it branches off on it's own.
Evolution would require a split resulting in an additional species like the supposed relationship between chimps and humans.
Chimps are still chimps but a long time ago one chimp broke off and became a new species (well that's the creed anyway).
Further more if reproduction had anything to do with it then more rapidly reproducing species like rabbits should have outpaces us long ago
Some species such as beavers we know for a fact have not changed for millions of years.
We see different types of animals. Based on what we know the only way these could have come about is through evolution.
It is no different from We see different types of animals. Based on what we know the only way these could have come about is by God creating them.
when an animal evolves from one species to another it has to be interbreed able to
which means its not another species. When it all comes down to it a change has to be made that makes the animal not able to reproduce with the previous genetic set up.
Dogs are a great example. I don't know of any other type of animal that can have such a diverse set of traits within the same species. The record low for a full grown chihuahua is 7 ounces (just over half a pound.
It's not unusual for a mastiff to get into the 200 pound range. Meaning the mastiff weighs more than 350 times as much as the chihuahua.
To relate this to chickens it would be like having an 8 pound fryer and 1. 4 ton roaster) Still if you have a very large stool
(or very deep ditch) the two dogs could interbreed even though they have been separated geologically for a long time and have been bred to be distinct.
I'm not saying that evolution doesn't happen. I find the theory very dubious
Just watched a cool show on netflix about big cats. turns out lions and tigers two obviously distinct species on the outside are incredibly similar on the inside.
In fact close enough to still breed with each other. Evolution doesn't tell us that a new species is born in a generation it's gradual.
All of our domestic cats we believe; still have the genetic traits of the sabertooth and have seen in their evolution rise of the resurgent sabertooth.
That one in particular will always be studied for exploitation. You'd think that if we created an environment that was designed to change growing in difficulty over like ten generations from adaptation to the new demands then demand more...
we could be ranching sabers in less than 100 years. Going from lion or tiger stock would be faster-maybe.
Inherent will to adapt vs dominance and satisfaction. Gotta take their satisfaction away by convincing them there's something the cat needs to do
but a lion for instance if male it only gets off it's butt if it thinks it needs to eat fight mate. or crap.
It's happy making the females hunt and kill but it leads to a relatively small male population
which kills diversity by keeping a small number of traits active in the whole collective to be passed on.
At some point a chicken-like bird produced an offspring that due to some mutation in its DNA crossed the threshold from mere chicken likeness into chicken actuality.
and reptile species that reproduced via eggs. Thus the egg existed long before the chicken.
Same with any animal...Give them a million years and they'll likely diverge like chimps humans orangutans gorillas did millions of years ago.
Of course during the age of fossil fuel we have made great strides in remixing mankind's DNA among previously isolated groups.
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#Are Birds Evolving To Not Get Hit By Cars? If you've ever had the soul-crushing misfortune of hitting a bird
while speeding down the road you can at least take heart in the fact that some birds are on the whole getting better at dodging them.
A new paper published today in the journal Current Biology theorizes that today's natural predators (like the Ford f-150) are causing birds to adapt.
Every year for the past 30 years researchers have been acting like urban Darwins observing cliff swallows in Nebraska
and surveying how they die. The swallows often build nests under bridges or other well-trafficked areas
and so occasionally get hit by cars. The researchers tracked birds who've died by car
and then compared them to birds who accidentally died some other way. They've found that during the last three decades the swallows have been dying less by car
and it's not caused by the number of birds in the area or number of cars on the road.
Something else is up the researchers surmised. The roadkill surveys indicate it's the long-winged swallows who are getting hit by cars;
the shorter-winged birds may be able to turn and take off faster than their counterparts avoiding oncoming traffic.
I just wish possums would get a little wiser when it comes to crossing the road too.
I believe the term they were looking for was natural selection. obviously the animals smart enough to not get hit by cars would be selected the ones for based on the new environment the birds live in currently.
One thing I notice is that some insects try desperately to land on the tarmac before being hit by a (my) car.
If those birds are quicker--maybe by shorter wings or smarter then they survive and the others get hit by cars
The birds that did not change are dead. Therefore less birds will be hit every year and only evolved
or changed birds will pass on to future generations. Honestly the moment we found out that DNA does not make perfect copies that was all the proof we needed for evolution.
Obviously if you keep changing a creature little by little in random ways there is no limit to the number of variations
So did god create humans 99%monkey? I prefer not to believe in a lazy god like that.@
Micro Evolution is an adaptation within a species where unique characteristics of each bird will
The bird is still a bird only able to reproduce after it's own kind.
The way this article writes it It sounds more like scientists observed that birds with shorter wings spans are less likely to get hit by cars than birds with longer wingspans.
If you're 99%identical to a monkey how closely related do you think you are to his feces?
complex cells (eukaryotes) before 2 billion years ago multicellular life before 1 billion years ago arthropods before 570 million years ago complex animals
before 550 million years ago fish before 500 million years ago land plants before 475 million years ago insects
and seeds before 400 million years ago amphibians before 360 million years ago reptiles before 300 million years ago mammals before 200 million years ago
birds before 150 million years ago flowers before 130 million years ago modern humans before 200000 years ago The fossil record clearly shows life becoming more and more complex over Earth's history.
Modern man is a leap in the natural evolution of primates and has not been explain yet.
It seems ancient primate man was downgraded from living with the natural environment and upgraded to communicate better
A sperm whale has a brain 6x bigger than humans. Why did modern man loose its fur?
The Sumerian culture explains why humans were made clearly in their historymodern man is a leap in the natural evolution of primates
The remainder of my thought was addressing Macro. democedes Yes a sperm whale does have a larger brain size.
but we make this opinion in our environment and not the sperm whales environment. The primates continue all over the world in HOT environment with their fur still ON.
Besides the appendix the gall blander is another expendable organ. You comment to mine is just opinionating.
The god overloads taught farming for modern man hence the need for these organs were not necessary plus just something else to fail in the primate body.
Neanderthal man remembered similar to the sperm whale with the larger brain. The leap of modern man has not been explained in evolution.
Neanderthal is a normal typical animal of evolution Earth. Modern man comes from this evolution but comes with external enhancements for the benefit of the creator.
Modern human are like no other animal On earth. Neanderthal man was the better animal for natural environmental Earth.
Modern man is made for the god overlordã¢Â#Â#s purpose and perhaps to travel later the cosmos.
The primates continue all over the world in HOT environment with their fur still ON. I did not say all animals must lose their fur in hot environments.
I simply said that losing fur would be an advantage. Some mammals have evolved similarly to humans (mostly hairless) without alien intervention.
So where is the actual physical evidence supporting the Ancient Aliens hypothesis. All of the arguments you have presented thus far are inconclusive
My theory is that along our primate evolutional lines of Neanderthal man an outside influence from a cosmic body came to Earth
Now modern man is no longer the natural animal he once was. My theory is a work in progress.
#NYC Wants To Sterilize Its Subway Ratsthe rats of NYC subways are resilient. The city is an especially well-suited home for the critters
but there are a lot of rats down there and this could potentially slow the population in a more humane way.
When a female rat ingests some it'll target the ovarian follicles permanently sterilizing it.
Along with those more traditional techniques Metro Transit Authority officials are hoping this puts a dent in the rodent population.
Still it sounds like it takes a lot of the compound developed by a company called Senestech to effectively sterilize the rats:
First off to become sterilized the rats are going to have to eat this rodenticide. The main issue the mta is currently having with rats is that the general public is so filthy
and throws food and drinks on the tracks. Also the current situation of sanitation on the platform is still very poor.
The rodents will always eat people's hot dog buns and chips and pretzels before they eat a waxy rodenticide.
The second problem is this will just work on the female rats. I think the city needs to look deeper into other preventive ways of avoiding a rise in the rat population in NYC.
I am skeptical but curious about this new idea. I would like to see the long term outcome.@
It can make a rat sterile and we use rats to test out drugs we are starting to develop for human use...
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If you sterilize the female rats the males ones can't get them pregnant. That's how sexual reproduction works.
If there is a lot of food around any method that only kills most of the rats will have no effect at all.
And if there are no rats what happens to the food? Mice eat it? Insects s
#How To Build A 2, 073-Foot Skyscraperwhen it opens in 2014 the Shanghai Tower won't just be the world's second-tallest building.
The 2073-foot-high skyscraper designed by the architecture firm Gensler will be a showcase of 21st-century engineering introducing the innovations that could become standard in the next generation of supertall towers.
Second if this also an apartment complex I trees also come with wildlife and bugs which is not good for people or the structure of the building.
I suppose a civilian drone with an attach laser pointer pointing into the cockpit of a plane would be bad too.@
@mayan Laser pointers are almost completely harmless and aiming one well enough to temporarily blind one of the pilots
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and sheep were the same animal just that goats were male and sheep were female.
Beer people will already see the pitfalls of these approaches: One needs to know the pre-fermentation values (gravity
#When Did Primates Learn To Metabolize Alcohol? A Chemist Reenacts Drunk Historyhumans have been fermenting alcoholic beverages
Our ability to digest alcohol might have sprung from a primate ancestor that ate fermenting fruits a new theory suggests.
Other primates have ADH4 enzymes but not all can metabolize ethanol. To analyze how ethanol digestion changed over time Steven Benner a chemist at the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution built enzymes in the lab that estimated how extinct primates metabolized alcohol.
Benner and his colleagues looked at the DNA stretches responsible for ADH4 in 27 modern primates Using lemurs monkeys apes
and humans they mapped the DNA sequences on an evolutionary family tree for primates going back 60 million years estimating what genes could have looked like for extinct primate ancestors.
Then they resurrected these ancient ADH4 proteins in the lab. They found that for most of our ancient ancestors ADH4S were inactive against ethanol
Ten million years ago though a common ancestor of gorillas chimps and humans emerged with an enzyme that could digest alcohol 50 times more efficiently than earlier incarnations.
Species like orangutans which primarily live in trees didn't evolve to metabolize ethanol perhaps because they wouldn't have run into fermented fruit living aboveground.
whether or not the last common ancestor of humans chimps and gorillas actually spent time on the ground or lived entirely in trees.
Science News Primates did not learn to metabolise ethanol. The ability was a result of the evolutionary natural selection process.
and a talent for sculpting intricate replicas of animals. Finally Amato found the name Darold Treffert a world-recognized expert on savant syndrome a condition in which individuals who are impaired typically mentally demonstrate remarkable skills.
or for playing Angry Birds yet it is the same processor all our brains may each have these abilities.
and donã want to go to lab I prefered hobbies or just watched TV. Then once I woke up
I'm thinking he should focus on the country and not his own pet projects. Mind reading mind control...
and pretend that AI doesn't exist clearly haven't ever used a smart phone
and any of you who don't believe that fully modeling the human brain will be necessary to bring true AI to fruition are deluding yourselves (the brain is incredibly efficient).
While the four and a half page paper is obviously short on specifics it initially describes expanded studies of the brains of the worm C. elegans the fruit fly Drosophila
and the mouse to map out individual neuron interactions. However the longer term vision encompassed by the proposal is both fanciful and actually quite frightening.
and continue to kill endangered and protected whales. The Pelly Amendment to the Fisherman's Protective Act was enacted in 1971 to conserve Atlantic salmon.
And in a recent interview the Icelander responsible for destroying hundreds of endangered fin whales has announced he will literally use whale oil to fuel the ships for killing more endangered whales (also to export mass produced canned whale meat to Japan.
and promoted conservation of whales for decades--including playing an influential role in the establishment of a moratorium on commercial whaling
Maybe you could also explain what happened to the large Woolly mammoth population that existed in North america thousands of years ago.
Comparable in size to the asteroid that destroyed 1000 square miles of trees and reindeer in Tunguska Siberia in 1908 2012 DA14 would be very bad news in a direct collision with a populated area.
For all that lived there it was WORMWOOD Rev 8: 11 the wood became full of worms and the rivers water no longer sweet and undrinkable.
Drones don't have to be Predators to cause privacy concerns in other words. In recent months they've led to new legislative action in California Florida Missouri North dakota Oregon and Virginia.
Texas'border-patrolling Predator drones are exempt within 25 miles of the Mexican border. There are additional penalties for possession display
For most people when you say unmanned aerial vehicle they think the Department of defense--'Oh man the Predator that one with the missile on it.'
and target insect or weed infestations he said. Ecologists and animal welfare agencies could use them to hunt down poachers and monitor savannah wildlife.
The U s. Geological Survey which has a vibrant drone program uses unmanned aircraft to look at fault zones woodlands wildfires invasive species and more.
For most people when you say unmanned aerial vehicle they think the Department of defense--'Oh man the Predator that one with the missile on it'Egan said.
About two weeks after the bloody river discovery an animal rights group flew a microdrone above private property in South carolina aiming to film what they said was a live pigeon shoot.
Checking fences crops herds irrigation lost animals etc. I don't know jack about farming but I could certainly think of uses for a small cheap drone.
Would a Pet Detective company be able to use a microdrone to search for a lost dog who could be traveling in a large area
Many of the contaminants lurking on leafy greens are noroviruses--the bugs that cause what most of us call the stomach flu--deposited by food handlers according to a story in the New york times
Wild animals also play their part. Your lettuce is not organic unless a bird crapped on it.
And then what toilet facilities do farm labourers have? Who must you blame when you have the gastric flu?
an unknown starling you have seen never or the lettuce you had with your lunch. So when my mother was making
By the way there are trillions of different critters bugs bacteria virus yeast and molds in the environment and yes birds bugs and animals dodo on our food too.
Why because we stopped grazing off the land like the other animals. All vegetable fruits should be clean properly.
#How Leeches Can Track down The World's Rarest Animalsmany animals are still almost complete mysteries to science.
According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature researchers don't know enough about 15 percent of mammals to even determine
Take the saola nicknamed the Asian unicorn a deerlike animal with two straight horns. Researchers first saw its horns in hunters'homes in 1992;
Tom Gilbert a geneticist at the University of Copenhagen has found that leeches are a great way to track down rare creatures.
He was inspired after a colleague monitoring rare tapirs in Malaysia was bitten by a terrestrial leech (a common annoyance in tropical rainforests)
and wondered whether the blood inside it could be used for DNA analysis. Gilbert tested the idea by feeding 40 leeches goat blood.
In 2010 Gilbert tried the method on 25 leeches that had been collected in Vietnam. We kind of hit the jackpot he says.
Twenty-one leeches contained DNA from mammals two of which were extremely rare. Although there was no evidence of the saola Gilbert did find DNA from the Annamite striped rabbit.
Scientists first discovered the animal in a Laotian food market in 1995 but have seen hardly it since.
Gilbert is now analyzing the recent meals of leeches collected in countries including Indonesia Malaysia and Madagascar.
The striped meat-eating Tasmanian tiger was a marsupial the size of a large dog. Though experts largely agree the last one died in a zoo in 1936 some people hold out hope.
This heavily hunted ungulate may be extinct but up to 50 might survive on the western tip of Java.
Scientists estimate that between a few dozen and a few hundred of this deerlike animal live in the remote Annamite mountains of Vietnam
and Laos. Despite its name this primate weighs only five pounds. Researchers suspect that some 100 to 160 live in disappearing bamboo forests in Madagascar.
Scientists believe that this rabbit (and its reddish rump) might be hiding in the same areas as the saola.
You can say elephants walking amplifies an earthquake but by how much???The fact is that we are in a natural warming cycle...
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#Can I Have A Pet Fox? Do a Youtube search for pretty much any smallish animal you can think of
and there'll be several videos of a tame or pet version. Any feline any canid any mustelid (weasel) any procyonid (raccoon) any non-bonkers primate (baboons which are completely terrifying are exempt.
Look at my pet kinkajou my pet genet my pet fennec fox my pet ocelot. And then on the videos of cute furry animals in the wild you'll see the comments:
omg i want it. When the internet sees a video of a red panda the internet wants a red panda.
Even though a red panda is endangered and a wild animal. In 1959 a Soviet geneticist named Dmitry K. Belyaev began somewhat secretively experimenting with breeding domesticated foxes.
More than five decades thousands of foxes and one collapse of the Soviet union later the program continues at The Institute of Cytology and Genetics at Novosibirsk Siberia.
Belyaev wanted to unlock the secrets of domestication the links between behavior and breeding and physical traits but plenty of non-scientists are aware of the project for a different reason:
foxes are adorable and we want to hug them and we want them to like it.
But domesticated foxes which can only be found at that Siberian facility are not horrible pets.
They're a little unconventional and they require a little bit of extra attention but if you want a pet fox you can have a pet fox.
All you need is $8000 and the approval of Kay Fedewa the exclusive importer of domesticated foxes in the US.
Domestication is not like taming. You can tame many wild animals so they won't try to kill you by raising them from birth but that's just learned behavior;
that animal is unlikely to exhibit what we know as affection toward you and the behavior it does have is passed not down to the tamed animal's offspring.
Domestication is actually change at the genetic level: an animal repeatedly breeds either through intentional human effort
or not (or a combination of the two) to emphasize certain behavioral traits. In the case of animals that would in the wild be aggressive towards humans those traits are easy to decide on:
we want the most docile least aggressive and least skittish animal. The Institute picked foxes on
which to experiment for a few reasons. They're canids like dogs so it would be easy to compare them to a domesticated species
but they're not particularly closely related to dogs so there's enough separation to see how forced domestication affects a new species. Also these foxes were already tame--they were picked up from fur farms in Siberia
so they had a jumpstart in adjusting to humans. But theoretically you could domesticate just about any wild animal:
mink have been domesticated in Denmark and some have proposed domestication of certain rare but cuddly animals like red pandas as a means to save the species. The Soviet
(and later Russian) study out there in Siberia did breed eventually a domesticated silver fox (read: a red fox with silver fur) that's pretty close to our dream fox.
It loves and craves attention from people it'll lick your face it'll cuddle with you it'll wag its giant puffy tail
when it sees you it'll play with toys in your house while you try to take the perfect Instagram picture of it.
Wild foxes will not do this; they will either run away from you or attempt to bite your face off.
Tame foxes may not flee or attack but they also won't cuddle. These domesticated foxes on the other hand have between 30 and 35 generations of selective breeding behind them with careful monitoring to ensure a lack of inbreeding
and they're not even close to wild--in fact they probably wouldn't survive in the wild.
After a few generations the results began to get a little weird. The study found that though they were selectively breeding only for behavior they began seeing new common physical traits.
The animals developed different coat patterns floppier ears tails that curled over their backs--totally unknown in wild foxes.
When we tried to breed a fox that would act more like a dog we ended up with a fox that looked more like a dog.
But they're not as easy to acquire as a dog. For a brief time a company called Sibfox was selling foxes bred at the Siberian lab. They were selling for about $6000
but it's not clear that anyone ever actually received one of these foxes. The Daily reported that two foxes that actually shipped to the States ended up confiscated at the US border
and shipped to the Austin Zoo and Animal Sanctuary where they are doing wonderfully. Apparently these foxes were kept in dog kennels
which is improper and weren't fed or watered properly--by all accounts the Sibfox people were licensed not
and were inexperienced at importing exotic animals. The only upside is that the animals survived the journey from Russia.
Sibfox refunded the customers'money stopped responding to emails and shut down their website. Until now Sibfox was the closest anyone in the US had gotten to receiving a domesticated fox.
Then there are breeders like Tiny Tracks Exotic Animals located outside of Fort wayne Indiana specializing in several varieties of fox (red fox gray fox and arctic fox) as well as supposedly tame raccoons skunks and coatis
(a Central/South american mammal closely related to the raccoon. Want a pet arctic fox? That'll run you $600.
Red foxes are a little cheaper at $400. That's cheaper than a skunk ($450) and waaaay cheaper than something more exotic like a kinkajou which runs anywhere from $1200 to $3000.
For comparison a purebred Siberian husky can run you anywhere from $400 to $2000 depending on its breeding and the reputation of the breeder.
But none of these foxes the ones that cost a few hundred dollars are domesticated. They are wild foxes.
Wild foxes are not pets; they are wild animals. The word tame means essentially nothing here--it mostly means nice
when it's a baby. The foxes from Siberia are pets. Foxes from Indiana? Wild.
(Tiny Tracks repeatedly did not respond to requests for comment; Kay Fedewa described the people who run it as not very nice people really quite rude even to the people they're selling animals to.
Indiana is something of a promised land for exotic pet farms and owners a libertarian wonderland where for a mere ten-dollar processing fee you can have a pet grizzly bear.
Neighboring Kentucky hardly a state you'd think would be prude about wild animals is a fairly typical example of state laws:
anything inherently dangerous which includes venomous animals (snakes lizards) huge animals (hippos elephants) and animals that would prefer to murder you than let you pat them on the head (big cats bears baboons) are outlawed all.
But so is any animal that has lived never naturally in Kentucky mostly to avoid issues with invasive species. Most states simply ban any normally wild animal from being kept as a pet.
But not Indiana! Indiana has three classes of wild animals. Class 1 is mostly squirrels.
Class 2 includes foxes beavers skunks raccoons coyotes and weasels. Class 3 includes venomous reptiles and all species of bear big cat and wolf.
All three classes are legal! In fact the only thing that separates Class 3 animals which are banned pretty much everywhere else is that a letter is sent to the hopeful leopard-owner's neighbors.
If 25 or more neighbors respond with a letter saying they are interested not in having a leopard on the block the leopard is allowed not.
Otherwise no problem sir. What's your leopard's name? Even more insane is that Indiana provides no law preventing you from owning an endangered species. Here's
what the state document says: Endangered species of wild animals will be considered Class I II or III by the division director's designee and must follow the same procedures accordingly for that class of animal.
So basically your local bureaucrat will decide if your pet western lowland gorilla is a Class 2
or 3 animal then you give him a ten-spot for processing and you're all set the proud owner of one of about fourteen western lowland gorillas.
Maybe you can take it to see the home of former president Benjamin harrison in the lovely Old Northside Historic District of Indianapolis.
It's worth noting that Maine is even more lenient than Indiana; the only real law in Maine is that wild animals have to have an identification tag.
Yet Mainers seem mostly uninterested in owning pet jaguarundis at least in comparison with Hoosiers. Foxes are only legal in a handful of states.
This is a pretty good guide. In some the laws are a little flexible; in Michigan where Fedewa lives you can have only a native species meaning the various colors of red fox.
The grey fox which is a totally different species more commonly found in the western and southern states is allowed not nor is the arctic or fennec fox.
A few states simply ban taking foxes from the wild. But the laws are often vague and open to interpretation
which can lead to trouble for fox owners who may or may not be in violation.
Dan Mitch Calmanson sounds a great deal like my father and I believe your description is ill-chosen.
Speaking ones piece and then remaining silent isn't unusual. It creates opportunity for intelligent conversation.
Those who can't keep up their end of a conversation might find it off-putting. Those whose intent is to learn listen.
The headline reminded me of something I saw on TV years ago. Then I read the article
and it is EXACTLY the same research I saw on TV years ago. I thought we would have done more with that knowledge by now.
Why are endangered animals still? Where is my miniature pet elephant? Its simple animal breeding anyone can do.
We should have domesticated versions of all wild animals by now. Especially those that are breed easy to.
This story was covered in a PBS special called Dogs Decoded about canine DNA and domestication.
They were using these foxes as an example of how domestication can actually change the physical traits of these animals such as shorter snouts floppy ears and more expressive eyes.
If you have Netflix it's on there. Foxes are awesome! The work done to make more tame fox's were not in any way an attempt to make a pet.
They were to be used as animals for the fur trade. Wild animals would be tested to see which ones tended to be less wild
and then bred to less wild ones. The changes brought on by this breeding was to make very tame fox
but failed in the attempt to make good quality fur. lucky for the fox) All of this is on a PBS show.
Who the heck has $8000 for a pet fox? I mean seriously. I have to wonder about the domestication project.
What exactly happens to all of the non chosen ones? were destroyed they as unsuitable -or left to enjoy life at club Russia?
Those would seem to be the choices--especially in the later stages. As the project progressed some indivduals involved would certainly not thrive in the wild
while also not being suitable as companions. Great feature. I've always wondered why so many people seem to want exotic animals.
Honestly I've questioned their sanity any number of times (especially the ones with extreme animals.
After reading the article I'm not quite so sure about having such strong thoughts about those people.
All I can say is that I certainly don't want one. An ordinary house cat is more than enough for me.
Also I'm not comfortable with the idea of even domesticated exotic animals. Just because an animal is domestic does not mean it can't go nutty and attack a neighbor.
I thought this story sounded familiar and sure enough that's because it was in Scientific American in 2010. blogs. scientificamerican. com/guest-blog/2010/09/06/mans-new-best-friend-a-forgotten-russian-experiment-in-fox-domesticationand the great thing about it their version
is written for grown-ups it's not written in lolcat trying to be down with the kids.@
@reader 6789 you created an account for that comment??The article you referenced is only about the Russian fox study and barely even mentions pets.
How is that the same as this article (see title? But When Can I get Bunnygirl?
Don't be surprised if it eats your cat. It seems weird to me to genetically engineer an animal to love us...
at least when we initially domesticated wolves they served a purpose we needed them to help us with livestock to hunt vermin etc...
we're breeding these poor animals in labs merely for our own amusement...it doesn't seem fair or humane.
I will be speaking to the Alabama Conservation Advisory board on Feb 9 to make a case for making foxes legal pets in AL (currently ALL foxes are illegal regardless of origin.
Please consider signing my petition at Change. org/petitions/domestic-fox-legalization. If you have any advice
or if you know someone willing to write a short paragraph or two about their experience
I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!!I live in Georgia where we have an ample supply of (common) possums.
I had the occasion to rescue some baby possums which I later learned was illegal to do (without a wildlife rehab license of some sort).
I'll tell you baby possums are really fun to play with and fully grown possums are not the disgusting filthy vicious animals you may think.
Their behavior is roughly comparable to cats: they keep themselves clean but don't have much personality or a complex behavioral repertoire and
I never had one bite or scratch or otherwise act aggressive toward me (I'm not referring to wild possums but the ones I rescued and raised).
They can be trained to use a litter box. An expert will probably tell you there's dangers trying to tame
or domesticate possums and I would defer to a true expert. I just regret that an interesting and fun animal that is at the opposite extreme of being endangered is illegal to own.
The very nature of this is been repeated in humans and yet current modern human culture is in denial about the document written history given to them from the (beings that come down from above) who created humans to serve the GODS via the Sumerian tablet history.
Prior to the Sumerians culture no such story existed before like this so it is documented history not hand me down myth.
There is a large difference. You know Neanderthal is documented to be an independent bunch living in groups of 10 with larger brains than modern humans.
The GODS need to domesticate the local primates enable their communication skies instill them a high desire to gather greed with the imagination and intelligence to do so.
It is said as we obey the GODS they are please. What a perfect domesticated pet lol!
ROFL...snort. Hmmm I know people who own Bobcats here in Texas . And have seen first hand how these animals will cuddle
and play with their owners. So..I think it all depends on the individual animal and how its hand raised.
My friends Bobcat even plays with his dog lol! Not all animals from the wild will try to bite your face off!@
@killert I believe there are some animals that people have tried domesticating in the same way the Institute did
but were unsuccessful. I think this has been tried with zebras several times but for whatever reason never works.
Far Out Man my comment was as much about the writing style as the repetitiveness. I don't think the pet aspect of the story added anything
because it was so casual and rambling. So I want a pet fox. But I won't get one.
I will take pictures of them and post them on my Facebook. I would rather read about actual science more than Dan Nosowitz's diary.
This site seems to be making a big push to get young male readers all the video game
and smart phone app news and dumbed-down headlines and I like grown-up science articles not rambling personal stories speculating about people being weirdos
and narcissistically centered on the author's feelings. reader 6789 Social media just sells better...I don't know about foxes
but my wolf is a butthole.@@reader 6789 very well then. I found the article to be quite interesting and well written.
Of course I'm coming from the side that wouldn't want a wild animal as a pet so
I'm sure that caught my attention right away. The article covered all the bases nicely and as I indicated it did make
me sit back and ask myself if I was being too judgmental. However even now I'm asking myself why Dan would want a fox...
and I certainly don't want my neighbor to have a wildcat as a pet! Help Stop Fox and Coyote Hunt Pens.
Please read and pass on the more people who know the facts the better. o-called foxhound training facilities
or fox pens as they are known more commonly are parcels of land with a minimum size of 100 acres
which are fenced entirely to create an escape-proof enclosure into which foxes are released ostensibly for the purposes of training foxhounds to follow the scent of foxes
and pursue this quarry. Foxes are live-trapped from the wild within a 50-mile radius of the facility and stocked into these enclosures at densities determined by the owners.
Then for a fee paid to the fox pen operator hounds are allowed inside the facility to pursue these foxes.
While owners and advocates of these facilities contend that the foxes are harmed not by this confinement
and pursuit the fact that approximately 4000 foxes have been introduced to fewer than 40 such facilities in the last few years seems to contradict such statements.
Go the The Wildlife Center of Virginia website for more info. wildlifecenter. org/news events/news/help-stop-fox-pens-virginiacome here little fox let us inbreed you into submission:
pdammit this article really fires me up...I want a pet fox so badly now!
Make me think of this: âÂ#Âoeso the little prince tamed the fox. And when the hour of his departure drew near--Ah said the fox I shall cry.
It is your own fault said the little prince. I never wished you any sort of harm;
but you wanted me to tame you...Yes that is so said the fox. But now you are going to cry!
said the little prince. Yes that is so said the fox. Then it has done you no good at all!
It has done me good said the fox because of the color of the wheat fields. âÂ# âÂ#ÂANTOINE de Saint-Exupã  ry The Little Princefoxes are beautiful but
I still prefer the many dogs and cats we have now! To me foxes belong free in the wild
so we need to help protect them and their natural habitats. -Author Janette of the new poem Beloved Cat:
Once Mortal enemy Now Immortal Friend at www. indefenseofcats. com/cat-book. html#Belovedcatpoemam I really the ONLY reader who was reminded of Kevin & Kell (a web comic) while reading this article?!?
When tame wild animals grow up they retain the characteristics of their wild counterparts and not those of a domesticated pet.
So why would an animal that is affectionate and social by nature acquire an uncharacteristic behavior like becoming antisocial?
I have pet red fox Aspen and pet raccoon Savannah that I purchased from Tiny Tracks in Ind
I live in FL and I love them like they are my children. Savannah follows me around and loves to be petted.
Aspen loves to run in fenced in yard she also loves to be petted and lots of attention. She is good on leash
when attached with my little dachund she thinks she is her mother Aspen would play 24/7
if any animal would play with her she is very friendly and loves all dogs so
I have to watch her around dogs so they don't get her! She has gotten out in the neighborhood
and always comes back. 2x). ) I do spend alot of time with them and they have a big 10 x 20 pen with lots of toys
and high places to sit anda den to hide in. I love my pets! Sav. can come in house anytime
but Aspen marks too much so she is outside and garage which is set up with chairs and tv a hangout area h
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